Substance from yo Style: Scoring Attire
All the kids are wearing trendy, posh items this fall!

How will it work, however? Perspective wise, from the Mix or Topside.

A lot of clothes are neither formal or 'rags', so they could work casually everywhere. Will it be judged based on the material? Unless there will be a new feature so people can decide what 'style' it is (alternative, punk-y, cutesy, mixfashion, formal, etc.), how will it be seen depending on environment?

There's plenty of ugly expensive things that are recognized as expensive and high quality, but there is no judging taste. :)

The tailors who do use the expensive materials and do invest in their skills and stats are going to make you look flash as fuck, and they will likely charge you appropriately to give you that benefit above fledgling tailors as they SHOULD.

I think that it would be great if a "mixer" could pass as a "corpie" based on style / appearance and RP.

One thing I am curious about is whether or not tailored goods will eventually be able to provide positive or negative charisma buffs based on how well made they are in the same manner some shop bought items do. I'm not a tailor but am a big fan of player economy and anything that encourages players to use player tailors rather than a shop is a plus in my eyes.

The current business dress shoes have be clarified to be synthetic leather. A new material, Cultured Leather has been added to support new shoes that are made out of genuine vat-grown cow leather, and thus worthy of their high price tag. Leather wallets were also renamed to match this determination of where our leather is coming from. :)

Along with that, silk versions of the pantsuit slacks, jackets, blouse, skirt, and dress shirt are now available as well.

Oh, and if the original item kinda sucked with a message before, the new item probably isn't much better. Folks are always welcome to join fix-it and help make things better!

Consider a clock started on when we'll start letting others see your overall state of dress (and have it affect your short desc!), at least a week, but probably before the end of the year.

IMHO: This would encourage trashing old items that have word descriptions which don't match their new quality / value in-game. It's not necessary, but it would get 'out with the old' more quickly. Reduces the time period where players will have to struggle with choosing clothing based on a sudden OOC change. New players will likely get the IC brunt of the change, and be the least likely to understand why.

Second suggestion: change the amount you get back for recycling quality goods. Probably makes sense to get more money back for more rare materials.

Thanks for the quick response! Idea thread added.

BONUS: "Your makeup is terrible."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqGJ7I75aTE

Thank you admins for your hard work! Time to get judge-y!

I've noticed that there should be a minimum level of stacked armor before you appear as "armored". It's a bit weird to be wearing a fancy WBA and also some neXus mirrorshades which are technically lightly armored but practically useless in that aspect, and you show as "fancy, armored".

A well-dressed lithe vixen with brown eyes wearing a soft ribbed crewneck sweater who smells unforgettable (Name Omitted) goes west

or

A well-dressed petite girl wearing a black EcoGear softshell onesie (Name Omitted) goes west.

I'm almost positive the two characters in question have usual shortdescs of say, winsome or attractive.

I personally would like to see those attractiveness shortdescs still figure in, and not be over-ridden by clothes.

After all, you can glance at someone to get a sense of their attire, but you can't glance at someone to get a sense of their coded appearance, it's only evident in their shortdesc.

I know that I have personally seen a variety of people I thought attractive done up in "ugly clothes" or whatever and later in more stylish clothes and the didn't get ugly then get hot. They were attractive the whole time.

It's not a great example, but I'm sure that a lot of us have seen Hollywood's lame attempts at making an attractive actress look ugly by making them look like they have no makeup, bushier brows and dressing them is unflattering clothing. How often does that actually make you think that the actress is ugly or even ordinary in appearance?

Maybe it's just me though.

@Johnny: This isn't working with 'chic', FYI. I made a bug for it. Thanks!

I understand what you're saying about preferencing attractiveness over height. But isn't height extremely important because it persists whether a character is disguised or not? And that persistence is important for identifying people?

I'm assuming it's being worked on.

My understanding about shrouds is that combined with disguise skill, it is supposed to help hide your body type as well. A large hulk of a man won't become puny, but those who are skilled in disguise and wear something that loosely covers their body can, in real life as well, change how they walk & carry themselves and so change how others would perceive them.

Someone with a high enough skill, so to speak, could do the same thing without a shroud, just not in this game. That's one of the thing ninjas are famous for.

Something to think about.

The unintended effect is that some people intentionally wear bad clothing that reduces their attire score down from Chic to Good-looking so that they don't blend in with the people who use Chic to hide their lack of an attractiveness adjective.

It turns into this perceived reality that "Chic" is worse than Attractive. So, many people at Attractive+ actively avoid Chic.

If this happened for "Good-looking" instead of "Chic," then you'd probably see a lot of people actively trying to hit Chic rather than ensuring that their attire isn't too good to trigger the attractiveness adjective loss.

This could push tailors to provide the best possible clothing rather than trying to eke out mediocrity, sometimes intentionally using @holdback to avoid triggering Chic.

Hope that helps explain it better.

On the other hand it would be nice to get some choice in this as it's a significant stat investment to just get certain descriptors which are then covered by good/bad clothing.

One is some accounts are assuming a system where chic and well-dressed are two differently high score readouts of the same scale while others are assuming one where they are different scales that compete for priority, the latter creating cases where well-dressed (or other modifiers from yet more other variables) would override chic based on how your clothing is made (i.e. it being chic isn't the most standout thing about it.) The latter once again then simply loops back to the abilities of your tailor IC and the resulting properties of your clothing, but if the former assumption was the correct one, then the people basing their argument in it would correctly feel that a 'higher' grade of clothing becomes punishing to their appearance.

The second thing going on, and this is the primary grievance and the one dating back some time that people are referencing, seems to be weighting. Without knowing how things actually look mechanically, it seems to me that perhaps the weighting given to how much of your body is on display versus how much of your body is covered by clothing (exhibiting certain properties) is tuned in such a way that a threshold exists that is crossed by chic but not by well-dressed, in which the 'strength' of the chic descriptor combined with the coverage of its origin far outweighs that of the appearance modifier for showing up. If something along those lines is the case it seems to me that perhaps the head @naked should have a big weight attached to it in terms of causing appearance modifiers to appear, so that it has an easier time competing with clothing and can take on even the weighting given to chic.This would also make it harder for ugly people to dress 'the ugly away' of course, but I don't necessarily disagree with svetlana on that being just living consequences.