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@nakeds layout and sub-descriptions
Improve information access and readability

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I've found the ordering and paragraph divides of @nakeds tend to result in the most important information of a character's descriptions being buried in the middle of (sometimes very lengthy) paragraphs. My suggestions to aid readability are:

Chest below neck instead of almost last on the trunk descriptions. It is the first part a character would look at, I think it would be quicker to access the most important details as compared to reading shoulders, arms and hands first.

Abdomen separated into the lower third instead of the middle just for more even distribution, its pretty typical for an enormous middle paragraph and then two or three sentences at the bottom.

Something more complex but that could make for both more detailed and more immediately readable descriptions would be allowing for main and sub descriptions for nakeds -- look (name) giving overview of all the @nakeds shorter main descriptions, while look (name) (naked) giving the more detailed description when desired. This could be especially useful for tattoos that can be easily described in brief ("He has a dragon tattoo on his left arm") while also allowing for the multi-paragraph detailed descriptions of said tattoo.

Another suggestion would be to have tattoos (very often the bulk of descriptions for characters that have them) treated similarly to installed artwork, having a short form description with a highlighted name that can be looked at for the long form description (perhaps even allowing for the color available in art in the same way), ie. look (tattoo) on (name).

By 0x1mm at Dec 20, 2019 4:55 PM
I like the idea of tattoos being lookable to compartmentalize them very much. I also agree that nakeds should be sorted, and I think coarse to fine is for sure the best way to do it.
By RedSteelButterfly at Dec 20, 2019 5:19 PM
I would *very much* like for tattoos to be able to be 256 color supported.

I like to look at people every x number of visits and read for any differences in their nakeds for RP prompts an ideas.Letting the artist set the text color (assuming inverse color for black ink) would allow us to skip over large parts of things that are going to remain relatively static, or, on the flip side, if asked to comment on new ink, not reading though 4 paragraphs of text for it.

By TalonCzar at Dec 20, 2019 6:25 PM
I think this is all fine and futzing with it would make a lot of gear not separate out into 3 paragraphs correctly.
By Vera at Dec 20, 2019 6:47 PM
As an additional thought, even just being able to look (name) (naked) would be quite useful to avoid having to dig through 3000 words to find a hairstyle, similar to how expose works now, except third-party.

Not literally exposing the naked of course, just reading the description of whatever item (or naked body part) is currently displayed in that 'slot'.

By 0x1mm at Dec 20, 2019 7:32 PM
I like the idea of Look (Target) (Part).

Hell even something that fits the syntax that's already there, "Look chest on person" might work as well.

Pro-tier coding later might provide the option for certain chrome to "notice" looks at specific body parts or items on you.

I also like the idea of tattoo's as actual art pieces attached to the object, even though that has potential to create DB bloat. As it is right now, the tattooist/person writing the tattoo really needs to strike a balance between word count and detail, and there's several pieces on my own character I would like done again if they were moved in to use the art system where word count could get larger if need be.

By RheaGhe at Dec 20, 2019 8:42 PM
Which of the @nakeds are "most important" varies by reader and by wearer. I can't imagine a reliable way to do this without just moving the discontent to other people.
By bean_dip at Dec 20, 2019 8:44 PM
Look name naked would be fantastic.
By Vera at Dec 20, 2019 8:45 PM
I'm referring to the first @idea. I'm neutral about "look abdomen tattoo on Bob" and I'm not a fan of a Technicolor text option. Personally, one color which is distinguishable from worn and from skintone would do it for me without giving me a seizure.
By bean_dip at Dec 20, 2019 8:46 PM
While I could see things like abdomen tattoo being an option, I think shorter alias' attached to each piece, with a it being placed with a custom name and setup akin to paintings again...

So like for a character who's had a tattoo you might see something akin too.

"On %N arm is a 'complex dragon', tattoo'd there taking flight"

on typing something like,

l complex dragon on %N

you'd get

"SINGLE OR MULTI-PARAGRAPH DESCRIPTION OF THE TATTOO."

At least that would be the ideal. It's easy to see how this would be advantageous. Given that, even with one or two tattoo's even modest naked can hit easily 60-90 lines long. Right now.

To use another example, a naked like this,

"She has limber arms, with careful, corded muscles that make for compact forms, loosely held at her sides. Marked on her upper arm with a graceful green dragon, taking flight, a joint held in it's lips, and the word, "Puff" written underneath it in an English bubbly font."

Would become,

"She has limber arms, with careful, corded muscles that make for compact forms, loosely held at her sides. Marked on her upper arm is, 'Puff the Dragon' tattoo'd taking flight."

Then looking at puff on her, you'd again see a potentially much more detailed and colorful view of the tattoo.

By RheaGhe at Dec 20, 2019 9:02 PM
Which of the @nakeds are "most important" varies by reader and by wearer. I can't imagine a reliable way to do this without just moving the discontent to other people.

The miserable @arm worshippers will be crushed under the jackboot of the @chest supremacy.

By 0x1mm at Dec 20, 2019 9:04 PM
Y'know what rustles my jimmies...

When a tailor makes something, and it's very high quality, but they make it awkwardly coveraged... And so that shirt you have, because it covers the neck or the gods forbid the ears(Literally seen this... Was like a built in hood on a shirt that wasn't designed to conceal the head or face... Like a set of bunny ears or something...) And all of a sudden you're reading it and it's like,

Her hair is red, vibrantly so, she wears a rabbit hoodie that covers her cleveage in a way to accentuates their natural plumpness, the hoodie cut off above the waist, exposing her abdomen for all to see. She has clear blue eyes. A small nose. And thin neck.

Her arms are skinny. Her abdomen is tight and compact.

This really should go in another thread, but I honestly think placing clothing by lowest naked, rather than highest would work out better.

By RheaGhe at Dec 20, 2019 9:10 PM
That should definitely get its own thread because I think that's a great idea.
By Lionion at Dec 20, 2019 9:12 PM
And since I'm on the topic, another line break would really go a long way to making long descriptions digestible and coherent. By example to my suggestion with the re-ordering:

Eyes

Ears

Head

Neck

Chest

Back

Shoulders

Arms

Hands

Abdomen

Groin

Legs

Feet

By 0x1mm at Dec 20, 2019 11:56 PM
+1, I'd really like this.
By Lionion at Dec 20, 2019 11:57 PM
I'm sure it would be crazy to have a timestamp for every naked for every player but LOOK CHANGES ON PERSON would be amazing. That way you can see at a glance what's different on them from the last time you looked at them.

> L changes on Jaka

A few things look different on Jaka. Her hands look like they've been smashed with hammers. Her thighs have tire tracks on them.

> L changes on Buck

Buck looks just like you last saw them.

On second thought, this would be even more insane for separating and keeping track of @disguise-names as well.

By ynk at Dec 21, 2019 12:46 PM

There's a joke in here somewhere about commenting on readability and then making a whitespace heavy list that didn't paragraph break properly; sorry I forget how to forum sometimes. The aforementioned ordered and divisions I intended to suggest were:

1st: Eyes, Ears, Face

2nd: Neck, Chest, Back

3rd: Shoulders, Arms, Hands

4th: Abdomen, Groin, Legs, Feet

By 0x1mm at Dec 22, 2019 8:36 PM
Having abdomen separate from chest would end up causing a lot of descriptions to run into a single paragraph — unless the intention is to always keep those descriptions separate, so if you have a shirt that covers chest and abdomen you still have a paragraph break later on.

If so, that would be cool — “high waisted” things that are abdomen + groin would suddenly display a /lot/ better. I used to have a character with some abdomen tats I would try to conceal with high waisted clothes, and it would mess up my descriptions because all of a sudden I would have a single messy paragraph.

By Pavane at Dec 23, 2019 8:48 AM
The only difference would be when a character had those @nakeds exposed, or where clothing began on a @naked that was moved.

If your shirt covers your shoulders, chest, back and abdomen, where your abdomen @naked appears in the paragraph ordering has no effect on what will be displayed -- the shirt @worn will start at the first @naked, in this case your shoulders.

By 0x1mm at Dec 23, 2019 9:26 AM
Folks, I'm going to keep harping on BGBB Etiquette because I think part of the reason our discussions tend to devolve is that we don't stay on topic. Here are some examples from this thread:

"As an additional thought, even just being able to look (name) (naked) would be quite useful to avoid having to dig through 3000 words to find a hairstyle, similar to how expose works now, except third-party."

This is a good idea but should be its own thread.

"This really should go in another thread, but I honestly think placing clothing by lowest naked, rather than highest would work out better."

Yes it should. Please put that in another thread if it is important to you.

"+1, I'd really like this."

Please avoid responses like this per our BGBB Etiquette.

"I'm sure it would be crazy to have a timestamp for every naked for every player but LOOK CHANGES ON PERSON would be amazing. That way you can see at a glance what's different on them from the last time you looked at them."

Again, this should be in its own thread. Or the thread that should have been created for this topic originally ;)

By Slither at Dec 26, 2019 1:48 PM
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