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I couldn't find any other posts like this and they weren't on the gang lore pages that I could see. But I think it would be beneficial if the 3 major gangs had their colors and a few examples of their common symbolism in tags or clothing, and phrases they like to shout or gang signs they like to throw up added to their lore pages.

You can find a little of this if you scour the website, such as an inverted cross being used in some Sinner art on the archetypes page, but otherwise I haven't seen anything for the Snakes and Arteries, (aside from the obvious ones like snakes and chy symbols) but I am curious if there is any phrases or iconography that might have been lost to time or might exist in these ganger only areas that might benefit from being made more publicly known and would enhance the feel of these gangs and help people roleplay as or against them more uniquely instead of shouting about x y and z turf and only that.

I also realize any ganger can just make shit up that fits, but something like this might help provide ground work to make up your own ganger phrases or gang imagery based off your own gangs established things that makes them unique.

Also, when I played a ganger, and was very new, I didn't even know the gang colors and was too embarrassed to ask for weeks to tagging was a bit awkward when I write out FUCK THE SNAKES in snake green, or whatever.

By Kalii at Sep 26, 2024 5:41 PM
Would love if this were all added somewhere! Lore pages might be nice. Learning things ic is fun, but I think these guys have so much presence, it would be something our characters could very easily find out if they wanted to. Some of the more detailed traditions and lore are cool to pass down ic but whats mentioned here would be cool to add around the mix for flavor and rep. The gangs are really cool in Withmore and we have some great representation right now overall. I recently learned something ic that I had never known before about their uniqueness from each other. I'll note it and maybe if its not giving too much away that could be added too :) I think it would be great for encouraging ganger play.
By Papertiger at Sep 26, 2024 8:31 PM
As far as I can tell, gangs have never had set colors or styles. People assume it's yellow for the Sinners because their NPCs have some yellow sneakers, red for the Arteries because it's related to blood, and green for the Snakes because... snakes. But, there's really nothing solidifying that. Contrary information has been spread by puppets before, so maybe solid lore files on this would be a good thing.
By batko at Sep 26, 2024 8:37 PM
I know players can doubt their own expertise and shy away from contributing but anyone can be made a lore editor, so anyone feels they can contribute to these please ask to be! It's not necessary to require complete knowledge on a topic, you can put in bare bones information to start and others can fill out the details as we go.

I recommend writing lore entries in a separate text document so you can cross reference changes and update things more easily.

By 0x1mm at Sep 26, 2024 9:08 PM
I had to search for info relating to gang symbolism a while ago and realized I didn't know much of any of it beyond my specific RP experiences as a player. Some gangs don't have much established in the ways of symbolism outside of the obvious. Someone mentioned money symbolism for the Arteries. This is an example. I.E. Fla$hlin.

I agree that this info should be readily available. The gangs are a significant force in every mixer's face on a daily basis and I expect symbolism and colors to be prevalent in the ambient world and not just a thing we see when PC gangers use them via clothes, graffiti, etc.

Let me touch base with the rest of the staff team on this. If we agree on this sentiment then I will post to this thread the info we have regarding symbolism and colors, and I'll work on having it added to the lore pages.

By Logic at Oct 10, 2024 7:09 AM
To be clear more clean with intent, if staff agrees, I'll share info about what the symbols etc. are for the gangs, but not the meanings behind them. The semiotics behind gang symbols aren't as easily accessible unless you're in the know. You'll have to find what it all means IC if that's your thing.

By Logic at Oct 10, 2024 7:18 AM
We've agreed the following should be common knowledge as you can expect any of it to be viewable in ambient gang wear or graffiti, if not also being repped by PC gangers.

Note that the Sinners have no symbol. I have to confer with Slither on this to see whether it's missing from the staff wiki because the author didn't know it or if the gang has no canonized symbol. I myself don't know if it has one.

*Sinners

*Colors: Blue and Black

*Symbols: ???

*Number: 666

*Snakes

*Colors: Green

*Symbols: Snakes and dragons

*Number: 7

*Arteries

*Colors: Red

*Symbols: Money-related symbolism. I.E. Fla$hlin

*Number: 4

As I said, this is the what, not the why. The why is generally FOIC.

If players are aware of other iconography relevant to the big three gangs, please use the lore system to submit it rather than adding on the boards.

By Logic at Oct 10, 2024 12:09 PM
This is such a great step forward. Having these core visuals and numbers solidified not only enhances the immersive feel of Withmore’s gangs but also gives newer players a stronger foundation to build off. I love the approach of sharing what is common knowledge while keeping the why something to uncover IC, it keeps that mystery intact but still allows players to rep their gangs with confidence.

It also opens the door for more unique RP choices. With colors, symbols, and numbers as groundwork, people can get creative with their own tags, clothing styles, and phrases while still staying consistent with established lore. I can see this encouraging more personalized ganger representation without second-guessing what "fits."

Looking forward to seeing how this evolves! And a shoutout to Logic and the team for taking the time to clarify this, it's such a boost to the gang scene.

By shoesanti at Dec 16, 2024 6:24 PM
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