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Maybe add a feature where when you browse, it's possible to put parameters on the price range on the products? It would make it easier to see what's buyable and what's not.
By NyanChicken at Sep 17, 2019 11:09 AM
What about if (with sufficient trading) you could 'look stall' and see a list of all the items for sale, similar to a shop. You could then interact with them by number, like 'app 22' to check out item 22 more closely or 'haggle 22' to begin haggling for it.
By Crooknose at Sep 17, 2019 11:12 AM
The first suggestion sounds really meta to me. In real life, you wouldn't know if you're being ripped off or not, unless you know the price ranges yourself.
By Mirino at Sep 17, 2019 11:14 AM
No no, i mean you can search for items that are within the parameters.
So you can type:
Browse <1000
And find an item available in the area that's less than 1000c.
Just a suggestion tho.
By NyanChicken at Sep 17, 2019 11:30 AM
As far as I understand, as you become better of a fixer (or whatever it is you use markets for) you go less for a "browse" and more on targetted hunts, with few exceptions.
By Marleen at Sep 17, 2019 12:03 PM
idk a command to browse within a price range sounds like a pretty reasonable request to me
By Vera at Sep 17, 2019 12:09 PM
You don't know the price of an item until you've seen it IC. Looking for stuff in a specific price range seems rather meta, as price seems to be a verbal agreement based on my IC interactions, and not a posted sticker that can be browsed.
By RedSteelButterfly at Sep 17, 2019 12:15 PM
Incorrect, and there's nothing meta about the suggestion.
By Vera at Sep 17, 2019 12:28 PM
Vera,
You're incorrect. The in game messages do no support your statement. Browsing based on price is contrary to the actual IC mechanics.
By RedSteelButterfly at Sep 17, 2019 12:39 PM
I have used the markets extensively thanks.
By Vera at Sep 17, 2019 12:44 PM
Vera,
You might want to read the messages a bit more closely when you find an item then.
By RedSteelButterfly at Sep 17, 2019 12:45 PM
By Vera at Sep 17, 2019 12:49 PM
Vera, please stop being a cunt, the markets work in a way that suggests that there is no CENTRAL way to list on items. And the prices are set vendor by vendor from an IC perspective.
This is central to how the markets, even if you OOCly know that with your market skills, you can get a vendor to offer you an item at say 90% value and bargain it down to say 55%, you're not going to know ICly anything more than a suggestion.
Using targetted browse commands is the equivelent of going from stall to stall looking for an item, you are not going to FIND that item every time. Nor are you going to know what all is there.
This suggestion runs counter to how market commands work in game, and thus I give it a -1.
By RheaGhe at Sep 17, 2019 1:05 PM
I agree that while a browsing range would be convinient, it breaks the style of the market where its just a person picking at piles of junk and then a vendor judginghow much they can get out of you.
By scifi4life at Sep 17, 2019 1:14 PM
Please stop calling me a cunt I just don't see what the issue is with a command that lets you only see items under a certain value so the drunk little girl stops showing you the same 20,000 medieval ballgown over and over again.
By Vera at Sep 17, 2019 1:19 PM
Vera,
it's IC that that 20k ball gown is the only item of note in that part of the market. There are IC mechanics that let you filter based on IC information, not meta information that your character has no way of knowing. There are also IC ways of changing what you find when you browse. I suggest experimenting and trying out different things to learn the system.
By RedSteelButterfly at Sep 17, 2019 1:21 PM
Yes I'm aware of how the markets work I've used them extensively.
OP is asking for a command that lets them browse for offers under a certain number so that they can rummage through the cheaper stock and not waste time being shown expensive things.
Yes the price varies at different times and places for different people. Nowhere in the OP's suggestion was there any request that this option circumvent this mechanic. The game knows the absolute value of an item and it knows what price you're going to be offered for it. The request as stated would bypass offers over your stated amount and only show you cheaper stuff. It wouldn't somehow cheat you into learning or getting something you otherwise wouldn't.
By Vera at Sep 17, 2019 1:26 PM
I don't see how this is necessarily meta, it's just QoL
just like how irl you wouldn't go to that shop that sells Rolex if you're piss poor you probably would avoid the market stall that sells you shit more than you could afford
it'd make browsing faster though which is maybe a negative point in some cases
By Rangerkrauser at Sep 17, 2019 1:33 PM
You could put a skill gate on it to answer that last point.
By Vera at Sep 17, 2019 1:35 PM
I really hate that this is how the forums have gotten. I literally have to check each of these threads now, not to see IF people have turned to childish attacks, slurs, and just outright arguing between two people, but when.
If you can't be an adult, get off this forum.
By Dreamer at Sep 17, 2019 1:45 PM
Is it really that unbelievable that you would ask, "What you got for under a kay?"
Browse <1000 sounds reasonable ICly. Balance though? I have no clue. Could be used to suss out every item in a particular stall faster? Whatever.
By ynk at Sep 17, 2019 1:46 PM
I think that this is a great idea. It should be limited to people with fairly high skill. But other than that, it seems really workable.
What a lot of commenters seem to be missing or misconstruing is that the OP and Vera are not suggesting being able to 'find out' what something costs. As others have pointed out, costs are variable. But that is not the ask.
The ask is to be able to set a parameter to see everything that costs less than X. A trader knows how much they want to pay.
I think it goes without saying, but the cost parameter should reflect the pre-haggle price. Not the minimum amount that a merchant will accept for it.
By Hek at Sep 17, 2019 1:48 PM
I like this and it neat +1
:)
By HolyChrome at Sep 17, 2019 2:13 PM
Would it be any different then going up to a vendor and asking what they got under five Kay, one Kay, etc? Just don’t see the big deal to the opposition of this idea.
By Grizzly666 at Sep 17, 2019 2:19 PM
Aside from being a bit small-worldy (There's HUNDREDS of vendors per room, each with potentially HUNDREDS of items, much of which is probably trinkets and junk worth a few chy each. None of this is represented by actual in game mechanics though), It creates a situation where you're filtering by item price automatically that is in direct contradiction to the game messages.
It's not mechanically a big deal, just not how the markets are presented, and how things are presented in game plays a huge impact on how the system can operate mechanically, as I've been made aware in multitudinous threads.
By RedSteelButterfly at Sep 17, 2019 2:25 PM
I haven’t used the markets in a good bit so I don’t feel like I have a leg to stand on in an argument about the messages, but I also don’t feel like this would be terribly detrimental. Just my opinion.
By Grizzly666 at Sep 17, 2019 2:31 PM
My first instinct after reading this suggestion was to say no, I like the markets how they is, but then I thought about it for a little bit and:
> browse trenchcoat
Doesn't seem any more small worldly than:
> browse trenchcoat 3000
Limiting the merchant ambient npcs to wares that cost 3000 or less, or whatever the syntax would be. It sounds like a good reward for someone who's invested in the proper skills/stats.
Sidenote, but I wish people would stop insulting one another on the idea board, it's made browsing people's suggestions very unfun.
By kroack at Sep 17, 2019 3:03 PM
+1 Dreamer and Kraock, this is ridiculous and the three or four people that are doing this in every thread should probably try to cool off :)
By BigArg at Sep 17, 2019 3:06 PM
Vera, please stop being a cuntAre you fucking kidding me? Can we start banning people from the forums, please?
On topic, there's nothing meta about this idea. It's just looking for items that are lower quality. The current browse system is extremely unwieldy and I say that as someone who is a master of the markets.
By Crooknose at Sep 17, 2019 3:11 PM
