Unthemely SIC banter

These Public SIC "jokes" are tragically unthemely. The OOC intent is clear: injecting OOC edgelord "meme" racism into the game in a manner that attempts to side-step the fact that the only prominent social issue left in the world of Sindome is related to the Class Divide.

I personally find this really, really bothersome and immersion breaking to the point of feeling pretty shitty. Just to be clear I'm not bothered by IC racism. I'm bothered by the immersion-breaking OOC intent behind these tasteless jokes.

Can all the people doing this please stop? I get that maybe some people feel smug or self-righteous about getting a response like this to their memeing, but after you laugh about it could you go ahead and not inject tasteless, immersion breaking OOC-fueled jokes like this into the game anymore?

Here are some copy-pasted segments from in-game, which have been edited to remove any actual IC information. Maybe I'll still get banned for posting this, but... Well, hopefully not.

"There's no difference between putting down a dog and shooting a rigger. The *** do it all the time."

"I'd stiff a jiggly rigger to be honest."

"A jiggly rigger."

" **** wants to segregate the riggers"

"What do you have against riggers?"

"I hate riggers because they make a lot more mess and are very dirty. Especially the ones that work in ****, I gotta work the mop a lot more for those dirty riggers."

"Exactly. I have to sweep extra hard when riggers are involved."

"A rigger once even stole my broom."

"He had a broom. Until the rigger stole it."

"Wow, **** really hates riggers."

"I don't get why **** is only now hiring Riggers. It's 2103...."

"Good thing **** doesn't hire riggers. Otherwise I'd never use one."

But I feel the need to really, really, really clarify what I was complaining about, because I was 100% not complaining about the thematic validity of IC racism.

I was taking the stance that the ooc intent behind that rather long string of SIC banter was so obvious and ham-fisted that immersion broke for me personally (Which again if it's just me, then it's a non-issue and I'll move on).

Because it's obvious to me that OOCly people just wanted to giggle about wordplay indicative about a racial pejorative. Which is exceedingly easier for way more people to identify than a B-Movie quote.

This specific exchange aside, there are times when SIC banter gets too...I don't know. 'Memey' might be the best word for it. It's been brought up before in the past, not just related to SIC but the game in general, regarding making certain jokes or references, and it's something we should all be aware of. Sometimes I think we (myself included) get going on SIC, or in a group chatting in a bar, in some good chunk of banter or whatever and it slips away from SD-character-RPI-cyberpunk exchanging into people in an internet chatroom joking with each other and the other trappings fall away.

I think it happens because it's natural and it's funny and can be enjoyable, but I do think sometimes it goes too far or for too long and it does feel like we lose the feel of the game. I don't think it's a serious problem 99% of the time or anything, just something to keep in mind.

What would be some acceptable slangs to throw at people of other races that are both themely, and don't break the IC/OOC line when it comes to a character's behavior? I'm talking about trying to avoid the very obvious N toss for something people are less likely to get OOCly offended by, if they're hit with IC racism.

Seems like something that's somewhat important to know.

More themely stuff would be making fun of Russians for being Genetek's bitches, or calling Mexicans poor, or side-eyeing people from the LTC with the suspicion that they may have illegally modified genes. Martians are weird lunatic anticorporatists. Moon people are insane failed commies. The Chinese are imperialist bastards and the Japanese are smug rich assholes who think it's the 15th century. Americans are poor and stupid. Use the timeline and get themely with your insults.

Having re-read the conversation, it's obvious that some people stepped over the line in a tongue in cheek kind of way that really wasn't cool.

Can we just leave all the RL, wack bullshit that is going on in the world these days out there, in the real world? If you want to troll people, go on Twitter or Discord or where ever else it is that mouth breathers go these days to feel superior while putting their ignorance on full display.

I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I play games to escape real life. I get enough of that crap on the rare occasions when I'm around a television, or having a conversation with random people at the bar.

Racism as a casual shot to get a rise out of someone is not against the theme. It should not be used as the prominent focus of someones RP, though.

If I want to casually call Seven Ecks a mexican racial slur because he pissed me off, and I leave it at that, and move on with my Cyberpunk revengerance and fun subterfuge, no one should get in a twist about that OOCly and they should probably not even acknowledge it ICly, it's just an insult, and it was just a glancing blow.

We should expect that in humans whether it's 2018, 2103, or 1903. Humans no matter how far along the time line will result to the easiest way to get a rise out of people, and ethnicity/race/culture is always going to be easy ammunition, especially in Cultural melting pot Withmore.

AGAIN THOUGH, it should NOT be something you're focusing on, it's not a primary theme component, it's not something you need to go on a crusade about, it's not something you need to point out every time you speak or insult someone, it's not something your character should invest paragraphs of RP into, and it's certainly not something you need to react in a huge defensive fashion about as if it should not even exist in 2103. It's present, it's insignificant, and it's going to happen, so both sides should treat it as such.

No prominent focus of racism in the theme unless guided by the class divide, transhumanism, cybernetics, nanogenics, politicial alignment, Sindome related religious divides, etc.

Racism is what people tend to resort to when they're at their most vulnerable or weakest point in their hate. It's the product of having a lack of justification for their anger, outrage, and violence. So we cannot smother it out completely, but it most certainly should be seen as lashing out from a position of weakness.

We got rid of the Aryan Brotherhood faction that was added to the game years ago, but we didn't stop those NPCs from believing they're superior to certain people.. We just don't focus on it, we don't include the ideology in their RP as their primary purpose.

Please follow this example.