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Membership, lease and green flats
Just a bit of parity

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Right now, if you are a topside leaseholder, you can only apply the member pad to krakeon, but you may qualify for other, nicer, places if you pay cash. If you were not member, that means you can rent the fancier flat, and then automated income the higher rent back, but as a member, it's either krakeon or pay the entire amount out of pocket.

I think it would be only fair to bring it in line with the perks of owning a lease, if you can rent it with cash and automated income reclaim the rent, you should be able to slap membership on it too. Seems only fair!

By Aida at Mar 10, 2025 1:38 PM
Able to rent doesn't mean qualified or are welcomed to live there once someone notices.

Like corporate citizens can't apply membership to Red apartments, the limit for lease holder eligibility should stay the same, imo.

By crashdown at Mar 10, 2025 2:13 PM
Leaseholder != Corporate Employee is probably the defining factor here.

Owning a business is a step up from just being a dirty service Mixer, but you are still beneath corporate employees on the proverbial totem pole.

By Quotient at Mar 10, 2025 2:22 PM
Quotient is correct. We do not allow lease holders to rent at all buildings on Green. There are also buildings where you MUST be a corporate employee to rent at. This is intentional. Being a topsider that isn't a corporate employee is a step above being a Mixer, but you are operating in the corporate world without being a mega corporation employee. It comes with IC restrictions as a result. We are not planning to change this at this time.
By Slither at Mar 10, 2025 2:26 PM
I think something got lost in translation.

As a leaseholder there are nicer than krakeon places on green I can rent.

If I had no membership, that would just mean doing rent-worth more crates every week.

As a member, that would mean paying entire rent out of pocket, as I cannot apply membership to it.

If the intent was that as lease holder you are only entitled to krakeon that's fine too, but then there should be issue with renting them as non-mbmer too, no?

By Aida at Mar 10, 2025 10:52 PM
Technically you don't even need to be a leaseholder, anyone can rent those pads and pay for them with extra weekly income if they can, it's just a lot of extra work.

It's not something players tend to be very familiar with because so many of them are members and never experimented with the new rental reset on weekly income, but it is a bit of a quirk that sometimes being a non-member is better for very high activity players.

By 0x1mm at Mar 10, 2025 11:07 PM
It is sometimes yeah, don't get me started on wantint few flats hah. But I don't sweat few kay here and there, it comes from RP easy enough, but if the expectation is that lease holders should not be living in say Belgrave, then lets make that clear somewhere, as I believe it has been done before.

Similarly I thought it was fine tor mixers (without topside jobs etc) to just live in krakeon, as it was done by mixers too, and just automated income the difference too.

Doesn't need coded change, just help news clarifying the RP expectations of it, and that if you break them management may kick you out etc.

By Aida at Mar 10, 2025 11:12 PM
From a coded perspective anyone can. Just remember there might be IC stuff that comes from it and don't get oocly upset about it.
By crashdown at Mar 10, 2025 11:13 PM
I mean, the IC part right now is far from clear especially for my niche situation, as you will see people doing it, and people from position of knowing the law telling you it's fine, and nothing I can find OOCly saying it's not.
By Aida at Mar 10, 2025 11:19 PM
You should ask around more IC and learn there's nuance involved. Something might not be a crime but that doesn't mean it's welcomed or allowed if it gets out.

Really imo this is an ic issue. Not all ic issues will be explained ooc. The only ooc part is the membership.

By crashdown at Mar 10, 2025 11:23 PM
You wrongly assume that I did not ask ICly about it.

And if you OOCly do not know you are breaking an IC rule, you won't note it, staff cannot act on it, and it perpetuates that cycle.

By Aida at Mar 10, 2025 11:40 PM
Staff know what apartments you have. I promise you. It is an IC matter whether it gets out and you get called out for it.
By Quotient at Mar 10, 2025 11:53 PM
In my experience no one cares about this IC nearly as much as they should and even if you go out of your way to call attention to it nothing will happen.

That being said it is technically a faux pas, rent at your own risk.

By Nymphali at Mar 10, 2025 11:55 PM
I didn't say you hadn't asked IC. I said ask more.

Quotient is right. As is nymphali to a degree, but that's a whole other conversation.

By crashdown at Mar 11, 2025 3:59 AM
Yeah I admittedly deviated from the topic a little, my bad! TBD in a separate thread later.

Staff absolutely know who is renting where even if it's multiple properties, so there's no need to @note about it going forward unless you anticipate (or even invite) some repercussions for squatting in a particular complex.

By Nymphali at Mar 11, 2025 12:32 PM
by Aida

If the intent was that as lease holder you are only entitled to krakeon that's fine too, but then there should be issue with renting them as non-mbmer too, no?

Being allowed to rent from the other options, and encouraged to do so are different things. Membership subsidies are a convenience, and if you're able to apply it to Krakeon, then great... but I'm guessing the expectation is that if you want to rent from the other spots, you'd better be prepared to put in a lot of work maintaining that income to afford it.

By Quotient at Mar 11, 2025 1:25 PM
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